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Post by soonerlew on Jul 15, 2007 18:10:43 GMT -4
One last thought.....................I find it rather ironic that so many who talked/convinced so many of their family and friends to invest in this stock, now seem to be so devoted to helping/assisting virtual strangers to "see" the light........................ AWHHHH Girlfriend Even the apostle Paul changed his mind, and tried to spread the light. I don't feel that we are all wrong about spreading the truth as we see it now. Midget You are quite right, Midget and I respect and even understand your reasoning. I guess I just need more. Still your friend....
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Post by spaz on Jul 15, 2007 18:20:38 GMT -4
I could care less about what others think, I sympathize with all shareholders but this is essentially an investment for me, albeit a poor one. I mostly lurk, as I feel much of what goes on on the boards is mostly harmless. I feel comfortable with where the company is headed now, that is enough for me. However I would speak out against those that would challenge the current management with their lies and deceitfulnesses. I feel strongly that these people need to be stopped, if only to protect, MY investment. For me, it's not about staying true to form, it's about rolling with the punches, adapting to the ever changing environment and using one's critical faculties.
I find those that defend people like Acca simply because he is 'positive' so nonsensical. Hey, I'm totally positive and stoked about what's going on, I hope to see a ROI eventually. I could care less whether other people believe him or not, I don't read his posts, nor do I post in his threads, but I do see an organized front of liars, liars who potentially can affect MY investment.
I think the suit is very relevant. If you don't believe in the system or don't trust attorneys, that's one thing, but one only needs to look at the public documents made available through the suit to at least make a personal assessment, it's not the whole picture, but those aren't lies. Granted a judgment hasn't been made... yet, but neither have the defendants made any effort to dispute the evidence.
I was wise enough not to get others into CMKX but I did invest much of my wife's savings (100 Gs all together). We are divorced now, but I'm wise enough not to simply blame that on a bad investment that almost bankrupted us.
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Post by jannikki on Jul 15, 2007 18:26:39 GMT -4
I could care less about what others think, I sympathize with all shareholders but this is essentially an investment for me, albeit a poor one. I mostly lurk, as I feel much of what goes on on the boards is mostly harmless. I feel comfortable with where the company is headed now, that is enough for me. However I would speak out against those that would challenge the current management with their lies and deceitfulnesses. I feel strongly that these people need to be stopped, if only to protect, MY investment. For me, it's not about staying true to form, it's about rolling with the punches, adapting to the ever changing environment and using one's critical faculties. I find those that defend people like Acca simply because he is 'positive' so nonsensical. Hey, I'm totally positive and stoked about what's going on, I hope to see a ROI eventually. I could care less whether other people believe him or not, I don't read his posts, nor do I post in his threads, but I do see an organized front of liars, liars who potentially can affect MY investment. I think the suit is very relevant. If you don't believe in the system or don't trust attorneys, that's one thing, but one only needs to look at the public documents made available through the suit to at least make a personal assessment, it's not the whole picture, but those aren't lies. Granted a judgment hasn't been made... yet, but neither have the defendants made any effort to dispute the evidence. I was wise enough not to get others into CMKX but I did invest much of my wife's savings (100 Gs all together). We are divorced now, but I'm wise enough not to simply blame that on a bad investment that almost bankrupted us. I know exactly where you are coming from. I feel the same way.
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Post by soonerlew on Jul 15, 2007 18:28:49 GMT -4
One last thought.....................I find it rather ironic that so many who talked/convinced so many of their family and friends to invest in this stock, now seem to be so devoted to helping/assisting virtual strangers to "see" the light........................ soonerlew, I did NOT share anything about this investment with my family members. Why? Because I figured it was a risk, one that I was willing to take. I did not want to feel responsible if this turned out badly. I thought if the outcome was as good as I had hoped for, my investment would yield plenty for all of us. As for trying to assist or save virtual strangers, I could care less what others think. They are entitled to their opinions just as I am entitled to my own. What really bothers me is when people lie or take great strides to cast suspicion on the only people who appear to be working on behalf of the shareholders. I invested my time and money in this company along with thousands of others. I feel I have a right to question the intentions of a few people who find nothing but fault with new management. In my mind it just doesn't make sense. Why would any shareholder attempt to scrutinize or criticize what Bill and Kevin are trying to do? If these people have proof that the ongoing effort is not in the best interest of the shareholders, all I ask is that they provide the same fact-based proof that Bill and Kevin have taken the time to post on the company website. I won't listen to people who have lied for years, while saying their presence is for our benefit. It doesn't make sense for anyone to believe an individual was hired by a company official for the purpose of lying to us continually and deliberately when the only things it accomplishes is division and anger. Regardless of my personal opinion, you are still entitled to your own.....and I will respect it . I share your thoughts on having enough to help my family if this comes thru..Course, the fact that they laughed at me over this let me know they weren't interested..... I, too, believe that some have been hired to lie to us. I believe also that a certain few who were really "in the know" were uncertain about what they were telling us. Yet they let the adulation lead them on and they continued to repeat things. Those few only changed when it appeared others were. I am not, by nature, just a general follower. Put a cause on this board that I can believe in and I can assist you with emails, letters, whatever it takes. Even cash if I have it. I do like and respect the greater membership of this board and enjoy the posts, whether I agree or not. You are a great group of people; helpful, intelligent (more so than me on stocks as this is really my first), and I always read just about everything on this board. I read several other boards, as well, but NO, I do not believe all that I read and YES, I do sit here and laugh myself silly over some of it. BUt, at this point, I just can't justify saying this was a scam and I have no proof, no DD, nuttin" honey. Also, I have never, that I can recall, posted that I find fault with BF or KW in what they are doing, even tho I am not sure what that is. Other than they have shown me nothing to prove any point of guilt. I have met KW and have posted that he is a personable man. I have emailed with BF. It's just that I don't feel Ihave been shown enough, at this point, to state unequivocally, without a doubt, that this is over. Not can I state that I know who is actually guilty tho after reading that 32 page document on Nevwest, I can say I think JE ain't no angel.. OMG.....This is a book but, surely, yuo understand what I am saying..............Which, in effect, is I don't know and no one, at this point, can change that opinion. It is mine........
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Post by spaz on Jul 15, 2007 18:39:19 GMT -4
hotlips, I've so often read your posts only to think you've been reading my mind. I'm mostly a sissy, so I don't post much, Thanks for everything.
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Post by jannikki on Jul 15, 2007 19:35:03 GMT -4
soonerlew, I did NOT share anything about this investment with my family members. Why? Because I figured it was a risk, one that I was willing to take. I did not want to feel responsible if this turned out badly. I thought if the outcome was as good as I had hoped for, my investment would yield plenty for all of us. As for trying to assist or save virtual strangers, I could care less what others think. They are entitled to their opinions just as I am entitled to my own. What really bothers me is when people lie or take great strides to cast suspicion on the only people who appear to be working on behalf of the shareholders. I invested my time and money in this company along with thousands of others. I feel I have a right to question the intentions of a few people who find nothing but fault with new management. In my mind it just doesn't make sense. Why would any shareholder attempt to scrutinize or criticize what Bill and Kevin are trying to do? If these people have proof that the ongoing effort is not in the best interest of the shareholders, all I ask is that they provide the same fact-based proof that Bill and Kevin have taken the time to post on the company website. I won't listen to people who have lied for years, while saying their presence is for our benefit. It doesn't make sense for anyone to believe an individual was hired by a company official for the purpose of lying to us continually and deliberately when the only things it accomplishes is division and anger. Regardless of my personal opinion, you are still entitled to your own.....and I will respect it . I share your thoughts on having enough to help my family if this comes thru..Course, the fact that they laughed at me over this let me know they weren't interested..... I, too, believe that some have been hired to lie to us. I believe also that a certain few who were really "in the know" were uncertain about what they were telling us. Yet they let the adulation lead them on and they continued to repeat things. Those few only changed when it appeared others were. I am not, by nature, just a general follower. Put a cause on this board that I can believe in and I can assist you with emails, letters, whatever it takes. Even cash if I have it. I do like and respect the greater membership of this board and enjoy the posts, whether I agree or not. You are a great group of people; helpful, intelligent (more so than me on stocks as this is really my first), and I always read just about everything on this board. I read several other boards, as well, but NO, I do not believe all that I read and YES, I do sit here and laugh myself silly over some of it. BUt, at this point, I just can't justify saying this was a scam and I have no proof, no DD, nuttin" honey. Also, I have never, that I can recall, posted that I find fault with BF or KW in what they are doing, even tho I am not sure what that is. Other than they have shown me nothing to prove any point of guilt. I have met KW and have posted that he is a personable man. I have emailed with BF. It's just that I don't feel Ihave been shown enough, at this point, to state unequivocally, without a doubt, that this is over. Not can I state that I know who is actually guilty tho after reading that 32 page document on Nevwest, I can say I think JE ain't no angel.. OMG.....This is a book but, surely, yuo understand what I am saying..............Which, in effect, is I don't know and no one, at this point, can change that opinion. It is mine........ I don't have all of the answers either, soonerlew. I wish that I did. All I know is what I have read. I find myself digging through more and more BS everyday to find something that could potentially be factual. I have said many times that I support Bill and Kevin 110%. Unless it is proven to me that they do not have our best interest at heart, I will continue to do so. I have also said many times that I am not ready to throw in the towel concerning Urban. Yes, what I have read looks pretty incriminating concerning his activities.....but, my gut tells me something just isn't right with all of this. I hope something will make the final determination easy for all of us. While I tend to question those who take issue with new management, often asking them if they scrutinized "UC" with the same amount of intensity, it is done only to make a point. I have a problem with people being rude to others who have a difference of opinion also. I think it defeats our cause as shareholders to label one another. I think it is ridiculous to think everyone who has a different opinion than others has some sort of agenda. Most of us have been here for years. Yet, some are referred to as "paid bashers" by others just because their opinion has changed over time. Most of us can vouch for one another. We know who is a shareholder and who isn't. But some people would like for others to believe those with a less than positive view are "bashers".......outsiders. My point is, at a time we need each other most, we should not be unreceptive to one another just because our opinions are not the same....and ALL sides should play by the rules. If you make demands of others, first be sure you are willing to meet the same demands. And we don't need anyone to tell us what will or will not come tomorrow or two weeks from now. As history has proven, no one has ever been right.
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Post by jannikki on Jul 15, 2007 19:36:15 GMT -4
hotlips, I've so often read your posts only to think you've been reading my mind. I'm mostly a sissy, so I don't post much, Thanks for everything. You should post more often.
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Post by soonerlew on Jul 15, 2007 22:08:57 GMT -4
Agreed, HLH. I may be wrong but I still prefer the "freedom" to make that judgement. I am highly skeptical of some and totally agreeable with some. You have to admit some are not looking for "truth". It appears they are trying to be argumentative. I may be "in the dark" but I will eventually "find my way"..........................I firmly believe that enough of the truth will come out that, either way, we will have enough to either "let it go" or be "extremely"happy.......................Surely this can't go on forever.....
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Post by jannikki on Jul 15, 2007 22:59:08 GMT -4
Agreed, HLH. I may be wrong but I still prefer the "freedom" to make that judgement. I am highly skeptical of some and totally agreeable with some. You have to admit some are not looking for "truth". It appears they are trying to be argumentative. I may be "in the dark" but I will eventually "find my way"..........................I firmly believe that enough of the truth will come out that, either way, we will have enough to either "let it go" or be "extremely"happy.......................Surely this can't go on forever..... I don't think our sanity will hold on for much longer......especially mine.
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Post by soonerlew on Jul 15, 2007 23:09:43 GMT -4
Agreed again...
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Post by greenman1515 on Jul 16, 2007 0:07:45 GMT -4
scorpion - "If the truth is offensive then you have a point. If you believe that Ines doesn't use acca to get room rent then I have offended you, but that is the truth never the less." One must actually listen to their BS to find it offensive...And IMO to refute it at this point is just a waste of time...I agree with you but it is pointless...JMO
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Post by Ghost on Jul 16, 2007 4:01:28 GMT -4
One really sad thing about this whole thing is that some of the very people whose posts helped people make the decision to buy have now turned. What gets me is how they can condemn those who followed them. These people always knew someone they had spoken with who said this or that. They were only too happy to "share" the "good" news. What has happened to make you turn? To whom have you been speaking that you now have the scoop? How can you go from your mind made up that this is "good" to now it "stinks"? As far as I am concerned I need concrete info and it better be set in that stone before I convict my so called "friends". Therefore I am still in the jury box waiting for something other than "opinions". Until BF and KW give me something in black and white, legal black and white, that is, I will await the outcome of this. Please don't say they have filed suit............................That does not mean anything in this country as you can file on anyone for anything..................................All you need is an attorney willing to take the case..........................It's luck for us that JM had BF in his pocket, isn't it? I am not going to argue with anyone over what I have posted so tear it to pieces if you want. I don't normally even post anything of consequence and LOL you are thinking, well I've stayed true to form...LOL My hope/wishes/thoughts/prayers are for this to turn out well for all of us. Otherwise I wasted my money...Oh wait, I can take a loss and leave the boards and go on, can't I? Makes one wonder why a lot of people haven't already done that rather than keep posting....HUH?? I already have a saviour, Jesus Christ, so I don't need anyone trying to usurp his position. Thank you anyway.............................. If you still think something good will come of CMKX, you can't be saved. I stick around because its like a soap opera. Reading stupid messages from stupid people is entertaining. How is IHub these days... ?
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Post by swather on Jul 16, 2007 4:23:12 GMT -4
scorpion............You said...".if a teacher at your son or daughters school was known to be having a inappropriate relationship with a student would you say or think "Hey, its not my daughter so lets just ignore it" Or are you of the mind that evil should and always be countered with the truth?"
That was about the most stupid comparison anyone could make. You are trying to compare an adult teacher who is in a position of trust with a minor of what, eight or ten years old to Ines and Acca, both who are adults. No wonder you were banned when you have to resort to a rediculous comparison to make your point......
Gee, you're on the internet reading messages from unknown posters.....its time you grew up and accept responsibilities for your stock purchases and stop being such a cry baby. If they upset you, don't read or listen to them. Anyone who follows these boards should know what is going on and be mature enough to accept what it really is.......unknown people making statements that are impossible to verify.
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Post by jannikki on Jul 16, 2007 6:18:09 GMT -4
scorpion............You said...".if a teacher at your son or daughters school was known to be having a inappropriate relationship with a student would you say or think "Hey, its not my daughter so lets just ignore it" Or are you of the mind that evil should and always be countered with the truth?" That was about the most stupid comparison anyone could make. You are trying to compare an adult teacher who is in a position of trust with a minor of what, eight or ten years old to Ines and Acca, both who are adults. No wonder you were banned when you have to resort to a rediculous comparison to make your point...... Gee, you're on the internet reading messages from unknown posters.....its time you grew up and accept responsibilities for your stock purchases and stop being such a cry baby. If they upset you, don't read or listen to them. Anyone who follows these boards should know what is going on and be mature enough to accept what it really is.......unknown people making statements that are impossible to verify. While I agree with you to a certain extent, let me suggest that until you have heard the many stories I have heard, about the hardships shareholders have endured because a few people made them feel they would "miss the boat" by selling, you could not possibly understand the hostile feelings. These are real people who have lost everything because they believed in this dream that has became a living nightmare. At one time, I felt exactly the same way you do....but, not anymore. While I may not stand in the same spot as some of these people have stood, or are standing in, I do understand a few of the reasons they are where they are .
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Post by scorpion1031 on Jul 16, 2007 12:08:55 GMT -4
scorpion............You said...".if a teacher at your son or daughters school was known to be having a inappropriate relationship with a student would you say or think "Hey, its not my daughter so lets just ignore it" Or are you of the mind that evil should and always be countered with the truth?" That was about the most stupid comparison anyone could make. You are trying to compare an adult teacher who is in a position of trust with a minor of what, eight or ten years old to Ines and Acca, both who are adults. No wonder you were banned when you have to resort to a rediculous comparison to make your point...... Gee, you're on the internet reading messages from unknown posters.....its time you grew up and accept responsibilities for your stock purchases and stop being such a cry baby. If they upset you, don't read or listen to them. Anyone who follows these boards should know what is going on and be mature enough to accept what it really is.......unknown people making statements that are impossible to verify. Swather, While I can agree that a better analogy could have been made, you seem to be the poster child that represents why that point needed to be made. Its not as if we are looking in from the outside of someone Else's stock, This is my stock and your stock. So why would I, or better yet, should I, refrain from counterpointing disingenuous characters that could directly affect my interests? And better yet, Why would you give advice telling me I should just avoid threads I dislike, in a thread YOU dislike. Either you are a hypocrite or you understand(obviously on a subliminal level) that one SHOULD respond to Things that irk us. I would think that a reasonable person would say to him or herself "Hey scorpions got a point...I did just respond to a thread I didn't like, by telling him not to respond to threads he doesn't like....So i guess i wont do that again, less people think me a fool" Respectfully Scorpion
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